Been a long time since I last posted and it’s really not for a lack of topics to post on but just finding time to craft a good and interesting post is a challenge. Anyway, today’s post is an attempt to try to put things into a different perspective, specifically with regards the element of 庚and the subject matter of whether or not a person can be TRAINED.
Now, training a person does not necessarily mean training a person in a specific way. All aspects of the individual strictly speaking, could be trained – the physical, the emotional, the mental, the behavioural.
To me, whether or not a person has the capacity to be trained to do something (be it to improve their self-discipline or just overall improve themselves), depends entirely on whether or not they have the element of Geng in their chart. Geng of all the 10 Stems, is the only Stem that actually must be trained in order to be effective. Train in this context, is the practical reference for the concept of ‘forging the Metal’ that is often talked about when referencing Geng Metal.
If you have no Geng Metal in your chart, then you are not someone who responds to training (meaning, doing something repeatedly, or enduring through a lot of obstacles, or just through sheer 10,000 hours of effort ala Outliers). You’re pretty much untrainable. So change or improvement or advancement for you has to be attained through perhaps other means.
If you have Geng Metal in your chart, then depending on what that Element represents to your Day Master in the 10 Gods, THAT ASPECT of your life, is trainable. For example if Geng Metal is your Rob Wealth Star, then your skills at working with people, cooperating, collaborating, speaking, persuading, can be TRAINED. With practice, these skills will become better and better. With repeated use, these skills will gradually but certainly improve. Through several tough experiences related to these areas, your skills in dealing with people, collaborating, and networking, will improve.
If on the other hand, Geng Metal is your Resource Star, then it means that basically, you can train yourself to be mentally strong. It may also indicate that learning how to relax, or chill out, or let go, or just feel comfortable, is not something that is inherent in you, but needs to be sort of ingrained into you. It very specifically indicates that your academic ability is not nature, but is something that you attained through sheer bloody hard work and repetitive efforts. It means studying is only effective probably through route learning or through just putting in a thousand hours. You have the ability to be a good student, but only if you endure. And suffer. And slog.
So today’s BaZi question for you is: are you UNTRAINABLE?
Hi. I’ve had my bazi read before and the corresponding star under my Day Master (Geng Horse) is cheng goon, and cheng yan. Sorry, I don’t have the Chinese character app, and I’m an amateur bazi student. My question is what do these corresponding stars mean for me in terms of studying? Your post said I would have to study hard to forge the metal. Is there anything else I should do aside from that? Thanks.
@ ML – you’ve not understood the post. Geng is not that great at using metal to studying hard isn’t the means in which to forge the metal. Great personal discipline is. This post is possibly too advanced for your level of Bz knowledge
Just curious. What does Geng as seven killings means for the area trainable?
@Wen – correspond with what 7 Killings means vis-a-vis 10 Gods.
Hmm. I have a Geng, but it is inside a branch that is in D and E. Half tank gas is better than no gas?
@ Birdsnest – yes.
Meaning to say that if there’s Geng in the chart, then the person is trainable & if the
Geng is the Direct Officer; does it mean that there’s possibility for the person to yield power or if is a female chart; the spouse could be a person in the military or someone with subodinates.
@ June – means that their leadership skills are trainable since DO relates to authority and power. NO, does not mean the spouse will be a military person.
Aiya, B, it’s “庚” , without the two “+” up there. Modify it, quick.
Hi B,
This seems to imply that Yi wood ladies can ‘train’ their husbands well using their EG. Does this sound correct?
ipohite39
@Ipohite39 – EXACTLY. However, given that Yi already can win the Geng using their wily manipulative ways, why bother to use the Ding?
Because present of Yi when combined with Geng in the heaven stem, will result Geng lost it’s characteristic traits. Provided Geng is not rooted ?
@ Lamshixiang – am not sure what you mean by “geng will lose it’s characteristic traits”.
I should think that only the output of Yi is the interaction to influence the Geng – either Bing or Ding but tough Geng should need some forging. Unless of course, you are saying the Yi itself does the manipulative work without relying on its output stars altogether.
@ Ipohite 39 – naturally.
Then, I do infer that for a Yi to address his or her RW problems represented by Jia, some Ding is needed to sharpen the already under control Geng to better chop the RW. 🙂
@ Ipohite – tsk tsk. Yi has problems with Jia?
How does one use their EG to train the husband anyway?
Using the EG behaviour.
In the context of Wen’s question and along the same line as June’s question, so if the Geng is existent and it is the 7k, does it mean that this person’s bravery can be enhanced and can do so by being more aggressive in one’s dealings / going thru difficult situations? And if the person is a female she needs to be the one to take the initiative when dealing with members of the opposite sex?
@ Birdsnest – means the person’s innate bravery and leadership skills can be TRAINED. Now your homework is to figure out HOW this is done vis-a-vis the Geng + Ding in your chart.
so, if you’re a geng DM does it mean you can achieve anything through work and discipline 🙂
@ Gosia – YEP! But alas, most Gengs are lazy to begin with and work and discipline is invariably UNPLEASANT – imagine being a ball of metal and being subjected to whacking and forging.
If a Geng DM marries a Ding DM how does the Ding DM train the Geng?
If Geng Metal is your eating god star, what does it mean?
If Geng Metal is your indirect wealth star, then what does it mean?
@ Peach Blossom – surely you intend to some of the thinking yourself?
Hmm. 丁can forge the 庚 to be nice and sharp. Bravery and leadership can be developed by being seen and heard. So the Jia wood leads by being the one who speaks up for what’s right and what makes sense?
@ Birdsnest – but also get chop no? 🙂
hi B, doesn’t resource stars also represent mentors? So meaning no help to train U? If that is the case, what other means can there b trained? Is not being trained as such represent no success?
@ Dooo – your question is not clear. It is about what is Geng Metal TO YOU, based on your Day Master. If Geng is your Resource Star, then your PATIENCE can be trained, but also indicates that academic success has to be achieved through sheer bloody hard work and effort – meaning, keep doing it over and over again.
If geng is your direct wealth star (rooted in year branch) and your day master is ding fire (which born in Summer), what you can derived from this information?
@ Ho Chun Wai – your wife is trainable.
So the husband is the manipulator?
Lol.
lol, wife trainable meaning like wealth is buildable?
You said “If you have no Geng Metal in your chart, so change or improvement or advancement for you has to be attained through perhaps other means.” but what other means? Is it through own or other life experiences? or self mastery through reading books?
Then Geng made its appearance via Geng Yin this year, Geng being its resource means DM patience would be stretched doing things over and over again? or DM has to wait till next year before taking actions?
Thanks
yen
@ Yen – “other means” refers to any method that does not involve the kind of hard, tough, hands-on methodology that is typically used on Geng. Could be through osmosis, through group learning, through observation. It also depends on what your DR star is since that SPECIFICALLY relates to the desire to self-improvement. The point of the post is this: whatever aspect of your life that is represented by Geng Metal, is what cannot be changed/improved/advanced through the tough, hands-on, wax-on-wax-off, endless practice makes perfect, 10000 Malcolm Gladwell technique. You have to perhaps use some other method – intuitive learning perhaps.
By using your logic, maybe people with no Geng simply learn easily..and enjoy working.
I know someone like that. He is a Yin Earth DM and has no Geng anywhere in his chart, but was very smart in school, went to national maths competitions, and always knew what he wanted to do. Is now about to be 23 and already works as an engineer.
Oh ok, so first speak up and out loud, but will have to endure the hardship of being bashed because of it ( ding sharpens the geng which will chop wood). And trust that it will all turn out well in the end?
Hi B, dunno why I can’t reply thru my earlier thread above. Presumably, there’s a limit to the no. of replies for each sub-thread or you have blocked it haha.
I read in a translated classic that Yi wood with more than 1 Jia appearing in stems makes it difficult for the Yi to reach for sunlight and in these cases, the Geng has to come in.
@ Ipohite – the use of independent thinking in my view is far better than relying on textbooks, helpful as they are. Not possible to arrive at a ‘general’ conclusion – each case is different. Must see the specific chart to arrive at any conclusions.
B,
I was just visualizing Yi wood doing some “slashing and burning”. Geng to slash and Ding to burn. This is to reflect Yi using Ding on chopped Jia on an instance when ding is needed on Jia. I agree that whole chart views are needed.
I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.
Let me rephrase, Yi instructing the ‘slashing and burning’ instead of actually doing it.
Hi
I read here there and everywhere else on intuitive learning then conclude it could be Bazi, Feng Shui, I Ching, Face reading ….all in Chinese Metaphysics, maybe throw in Reiki, mediation and even the Universe included. Yes Geng is DR.
Thanks for your thought provoking article! }::
yen
@ Yen – sorry to crack your bubble but intuitive learning is NOT Direct Resource.
what is intuitive learning, then?
Is it Indirect Resource?lol.
so I am a Bing DM female and have a Geng in the HS of my hour pillar. does it mean that my wealth attaining means can be trained? maybe will come later part of my life?
“To me, whether or not a person has the capacity to be trained to do something (be it to improve their self-discipline or just overall improve themselves), depends entirely on whether or not they have the element of Geng in their chart. Geng of all the 10 Stems, is the only Stem that actually must be trained in order to be effective. Train in this context, is the practical reference for the concept of ‘forging the Metal’ that is often talked about when referencing Geng Metal.
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Is this even if geng is your useful god, that you’ll not respond to it? Ie: no geng available.
Just wanted to comment that I have a rooted Geng Metal in year pillar (Geng Shen), and what you mentioned above is very true. I cannot get good exams results w/o sloggin hard.. unlike my friends… they breeze through it. :/
I only have one Geng Metal star hidden in my Year Pillar, as well..I am Xin Metal DM btw, and a weak DM(born in month of the Rabbit) and I really hate hard work, but, at the same time, I feel I would not want to get things I did not earn..so I end up just feeling paralyzed a lot of the times.
But, anyway, if Geng is my Rob Wealth, what does this mean? That I can only excel in relating? that’s it?
What if I want to work towards being a scientist?
Wait..if Rob Wealth means communicating, does this mean I could be a good writer? Maybe even actor?(although I’m painfully shy)
I noticed Marilyn Monroe, and Angelina Jolie, both Xin DMs, have some Geng in their charts. They both started out as not so great actresses, but improved later.
I have two geng metals in my heavenly stem. I get distracted easily, but enjoy working hard. Does that mean a study that involves 6 yrs or more (research) is suitable?
what does it mean when the hour pillar earthly stem/branch is gui SI/geng metal in branches/for a xin DM with hai as the earthly branch/clash with rob wealth?/or spouse clash with rob wealth since DM is married? thanks
Hi. Just wanted to ask..if Geng appears in your current Luck Pillar, it means that is a goot time to learn new skills, right?
That’s too literal a viewpoint. Depends on what Geng Metal is to you in your chart.
Ive got 4 geng + 1 hidden. Though I love reading, I find studying in class very boring. I adopt selective learning process because I am impatient – i.e just read a section I’m interested in and the rest will be easy.
geng shen is in my day pillar,and I’m such a deep thinker.I have been through a lot and my month and hour EB has fire element.Does having geng shen in day pillar ,makes future spouse have leadership skills?
Not understanding your question.
hello sorry for the confusion..I’m new to bazi and I learned I have geng metal DM and I’m such a thinker,I plan things in detailed maybe because my day pillar’s earth branch is monkey.So monkey on the day pillar earth branch is the spouse palace right?Does it mean future spouse have leadership skills?
The Earthly Branch below the day master represents the Spouse Palace but the element inside in your case is NOT the Spouse Star. As such you cannot interpret it in per the fashion of your second question “does future spouse have leadership skills”. You have to read your Spouse Element (Ding or Yi Wood, depending on if you are M or F) in the context of your entire chart. As to personality traits, that is strongly linked to the structure, which is based on the Month Branch.
If Geng is the Daymaster, and is present in month branch, what does it mean? The Self is trainable and must train self in career? Self meaning willpower and physical body?
If Geng is wealth star, present in month and hour branch, does that mean the DM must work extremely hard for his wealth? Or conversely, he must train his wife or work hard for wife?
what’s happens if you have a HS Geng Metal on Month….and your daymaster is Bing Fire? that means I should train on my social skills?
Geng is your Wealth Star. Nor your Rob Wealth Star.
Hi, if Geng Metal is the output star, it means the person must enhance the skill of producing something in order to be “trainable”?
No, you’re missing the point. You need to train the Geng. Means Output Star is generally not very useful or effective and must be enhanced through knowledge.
Hi, first of all i would like to say I really love this post hahaha I am a water day master and I do have Geng in my hour pillar and also rooted with the Shen. I truly agree with you that I really can’t stay chill and relax with my own mind so will note on training that. Just wanted to know, if my daymaster (Gui) is already very strong water, is Geng still beneficial for me? Thank you in advance!
Nope. Strong DM don’t need more Resource.